Speaker 1 (00:00):
We may have to have a debate with us sender
tomorrow because I think he's scheduled to join us tomorrow
on our weekly chat with him about this whole thing.
Didn't it feel great last night that the sun didn't
go down until about seven thirty?

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Again, didn't miss the point. We're fine, But I actually
will take either one of these standards. I just want
one and I don't want to change anymore. This is
what I keep telling you.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Let me explain to you why I like the change.
The change means it's a time of spring and summer
for me, which I look forward to. I love spring
and summer. I'm not a big fall fan, not a
big winter fan, but I love springing summer, and that's
a change to me, and that's why I love it.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I love the everythin that guy just says, book, thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you. No, it's I like
fall too because it's playoff baseball. It's the start of football.
I love the fall. I just hate the winners. Are
just a miserable time for me. But Center Lisa, the
weekend standard time certainly has some advantages, so does daylight
daylight saving time. I care less about which one than

(01:07):
I do about sticking with one permanently. Let's pick a
horse and ride it, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, I agree with the sender on that point.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
No, you've never pick and never changed the time this is.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
This will be a new position for you, so long
daylight saving time.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
You you have never said this before.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
You have just pivoted on me a week off by
arguing no.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
No, I'm very happy that I have. This is a
glorious Yes, I'm legislat sausage factory. Is such a legislature's done.
We don't have to worry about them anymore. They can't
do any more damage, right they Well, we hope not.
But I uh yeah, I'm so excited about the weather.
I'm excited about about this week. We're watching the We've

(01:55):
got I've got so much content on these insane democrats.
They are just losing. They're losing their own people. I mean,
nobody wants to be associated with the lunacy. And actually
some of the truly offensive things that they're doing right
now that just alienates them from this country. And look again,
we say it over and over again, why should we
stop them? But it's hard to watch. It's actually getting

(02:16):
hard to watch. It's getting so sick.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
It is it is. So we've got a lot to
talk about today. It's Greg just mentioned. We'll talk about
the Democrats. We're going to talk about this story in
the Salt Lake Tribune about Data Republican. Now Data Republican
is Utah based.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
We were the first to interviews.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
She has really dug deep into what Doze has found out.
As a matter of fact, Elon Musk has recognized her
for her work and use some of that well. Apparently
a local newspaper here in town, Salt Lake Tribune, decided
to out her, but not only her, which she's already
been outed, but now her husband and her husband's business,

(02:57):
which is they just didn't need to do that. So
we'll get into that. We're going to talk about can
you cut cost and do something about entitlements at the
same time, I think so, we'll talk about the school
pride flag bill that was approved, yes, the legislation. J.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Trevor Lee will be on the program.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
He'll be on the program a little bit later on.
We'll talk about solar energy. So a lot to get
to today, and as always, we invite you to be
a part of the program. Eight eight eight five seven
oh eight zero one zero triple eight five seven eight
zero one zero.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
So Musk is under attack or his businesses are. You've
got poor JD. Vansa Vice President United States with his
young little daughter, trying to get somewhere and tries to
give the people, just shouting and scaring his daughter sometime
to speak and dialogue, hoping that they would treat him
better around his daughter who was frightened. No, that didn't happen.
Bernie Sanders rally where the song sung is so vile

(03:50):
and so perfect using song and it's things we can
We couldn't even give you one verse of these songs
that are sung that are not just blasphemous. But I
would argue that the agnostics who don't actually know if
there is a god or not, would be sick by
the lyrics of the song that we're sung there, And
somehow they're all dancing around like this is normal stuff.

(04:10):
You have Van Jones from CNN just again, there is
just so many it's almost a gallon gun over this
weekend of abhorrent behavior where they don't know what to
do other than to just terrorize. Their goal is to
create chaos. Rod So when Trump was in his first administration,
you know, to make people say I don't want Trump anymore.
Is if he goes away, maybe the chaos goes away.

(04:32):
And they were creating the kids, well, they are now
upping the ante on the chaos, trying to create it everywhere,
hoping that the American people look at who they're attacking
and saying, boy, if they just didn't do what they
did to provoke you know, economic terrorism of Tesla and
all those things, maybe we wouldn't have to go through this.
So they are trying to use fear. They're trying to

(04:52):
plant seats of fear to compel people into their position
because they can't do it through dialogue or anything else.
It's just one of those next phases that this party's
going through, and I just think they lose people along
the way. I think less people want to associate or
want to defend what they're doing this Monday than last Monday.

(05:13):
Given what they've done in this last week.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Greg, how did they attack Donald Trump? How did they
attack Elon Musk where they are the most transparent people
I've seen in this country in a little while. I
mean Donald Trump admitted, Okay, we may have a recession
here you know, we don't know as of yet. You
have Elon Musk saying on Larry Kudlow Show on Fox
Business Today, Greg, if you have any questions about what

(05:36):
we're doing to doge, just go to our website, take
a look at the numbers that are out there. Understand
what is taking place and what we're finding. And then
if you have questions, right, they aren't hiding anything at all,
but they're creating this hysteria that there's a hidden agenda here.
The hidden agenda here, there is one is to cut
government waste and fraud, trying to do something about what

(05:59):
every politician for the last fifty years in this country
has said they wanted to do smaller government, get rid
of waste and fraud. Well, finally you have a president
with somebody who can help him do this, trying to
do this, and what are they getting Nothing but viole
I mean violence directed toward j d Vance's little girl,
toward Tesla dealerships, toward a crowd of people with Bernie

(06:20):
Sanders with the most disgusting song you'll ever hear in
You know, we can't even put it now.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
There's not enough beach. All you'd hear is one long beat,
the whole thing. But it is talking about the Lord
in the most perverted sexual ways you've ever You wouldn't
even think of. It's it's lyrics. You wouldn't even your
mind couldn't even say that are that bad? Yeah, and
this is at a rally that he would actually own this.
These are not adults, These are not serious people. They're

(06:46):
not they're not they're actually I think a transit I
don't think has anything to do with politics or policy.
I think it's bad or evil people. I do.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
You know, what's what? I admires too strong a word.
But you look at Bernie Sanders, and one thing you
can say about Bernie Sanders is he's authentic. I mean,
he's an authentic social you know, he a rich guy
for a socialist. I think he's a bit of a
but he at least he's the authentic. He's the only
one authentic in the Democratic Party right now. Gavin Newsom

(07:16):
does know if boys should play in girls sports and
vice versa. You know, the party's trying to figure that out.
They're trying to figure out DEI. They don't know what
to do about DEI because obviously Americans don't like it
and they're trying to deal with it. I mean, they're
just they're just lost right.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Down, they are. And we're going to play some of
this for you so that you at least the parts
we can, but we're going to lay out some of
this case so that you just don't get. You won't get,
you don't buy in for these false narratives. I Mean,
the thing that I love in this interview with Elon
Musk is that he says, you know, when people criticize
what DOGE is doing, he asked what parts specifically because

(07:51):
we because we're so transparent, which receipt do you take
offense to? What what line item that we're identifying as
waste or money going to Social Security recipients that aren't
one hundred and twenty years old? And the amount of
people that that's happening for twenty million checks being sent
out a year to people that aren't eligible or whatever

(08:13):
it may be. What part of what DOJ is doing
and posting online and on X do they have specifically
have a problem with He's you know, if you get
down to that, they don't have an answer for you.
They just want to say, I've got a story here
that we can discuss later in the show about the
the astro turf grassroots of this Indivisible project, which are

(08:33):
a bunch of wealthy people and their big slogan is
was it families over billionaires? And it's a it's a
complete contrived fake narrative funded by the wealthy elite trying
to demonize the elon musk and prevent this you know,
this NGO and sending money outside of the legislative legislative

(08:54):
process for federal money out to these ENGOs and into
these liberal organizations and their own own pockets, in their
own pockets. That is what this thing has found the
most of is that is side deals, tons and tons
and tons of side deals.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Well, this week marked the fifth year anniversary of COVID.
It is this week right, yes, say you have this story.
This what Doge found out over the weekend, three hundred
and twelve million dollars in loans were given to children
who are operating little like lemonade stands during the COVID pandemic.
Who in their right mind would defend spending three hundred

(09:31):
and twelve million dollars to give loans to children during COVID?

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, no one, it doesn't no one.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Can defend that. But the Democrats, the progressives out there
are saying, you know, Elon musk burn in hell, that's
what they're saying.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Hundreds of millions of dollars in SBA loans given out
to people aged eleven and under. Okay, twenty million dead
people marked is alive receiving Social Security. Yeah, so if
we don't want if we have to do something about
entitlements because they can't afford them, they're growing. I don't know,
maybe not paying twenty million people that aren't alive, I
can salvage the program, make us stronger and not actually

(10:08):
touch someone that's alive and receiving Social Security. Wouldn't you
like that? Belous who would say that's a bad deal? Yeah?
The Democrats, the Democrats, progress is out there.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
I'mreal, the anti Trump, the the you know, people who
are suffering from truent syndrome, they just.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Trump arrangement syndrome.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Logic can't deal with it. All right, we'll play some
of that audio when we come back, because you need
to hear. Even Democrats are now starting to say, what
on earth is our party doing? That's all coming up.
Great to be with you. It is the Rotting Greg
Show right here on Utah's Talk rating on one O
five to nine k n rs. Greg, it is amazing
to me that the Democrats continue trying to figure out

(10:49):
what's wrong with the party. I mean, they all weekend
and we'll play some audio sound bites here in just
a minute about hearing people kind of say we got
to figure out what we're doing. And what accelerated I
think that discussion was the comment that was made by
Gavin Newsom, Gruesome Newsom, the governor of California. He was

(11:10):
on Charlie Kirk, a podcast on Charlie Kirk and he
was asked about boys playing girls sports and he basically
said it's it's unfair and we shouldn't do it. And
that was a pivot from everything they believe in and
that would you put that on the Democrats trying to
figure out what to do about DEI diversity, equity and
inclusion being eliminated all and the Democrats they don't, they

(11:35):
really don't know what to do right now.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
They don't. Again, this part sounds like every week we
say this, but honestly, they find new ways to show
that the chasm between the United States of America and
its citizens and what they as a so called major
political party, what they want to see by way of
what this country does or how it's governed. It's just

(11:58):
getting further and further apo art every single week, the
examples of their conduct and what they fight for and
against what they fight against. It just doesn't I just
can't imagine that. Everyday Americans are like, yeah, you know
during COVID, I got my whole business shutdown, or I
got my job taken away from me. They just said,
I bear not say anything or else I'm the problem.

(12:19):
And now we're all supposed to just weep endlessly because
government workers were asked, what did you do last week? No,
it's a little bit too much. I think you're way
emphasizing one and we were being harmed and you didn't
care about the circumstances we were going through, and the
other doesn't fly. It just does not fly.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Well, here's Van Jones on C and then talking about
the state of the Democratic Party.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
Look, man, we're screwed. I mean we don't know No
Democrats don't know what to do. This is a nightmare.
You know, somebody like Donald Trump. We thought we'd at
least have you know, Hakeem Jefferies and the Speaker's chair
to hold him back if we didn't have Kammlin there
to do the right thing. Listen, the Democratic Party is
going through massive set of internal crises. You have a

(13:03):
party that got trapped two ways. One defending a broken
status quo that nobody likes because they thought that Donald
Trump was gonna make it worse. But when you're defending
the status quot, you're gonna lose, and then offending most
people in the country, calling everybody sexist and racist and
transphobic and every other name, and then say it please

(13:24):
follow us. That's not a good strategy, folks. Defending a
broken status quo and offending most of the country. Turns
out is not as popular as my party thought it
was going.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
To be Van Jones the nail right on the head.
First of all, let's talk about, you know, defending the
status quo. Every American out there, greg in my opinion,
knows government is too big and there is too much waste.
But here we have the Democrats defending it and then
then calling everybody who disagrees with them are racist, homophobic,

(13:56):
you name it. And that's why the Democratic Party lost.
They don't know what to say right now.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
The only part that's disorienting for me is to listen
to Van Jones. It talk a lot. He's speaking logical
right now. Sure, he was one of the he's part
of the problem. He was buying into all this. He
was defending that broken status quo. He was calling everyone
who didn't agree with their worldview a racist, a bigot.
He was saying the same thing about Trump, that he
was a Nazia fascist. He was using all the extreme
rhetoric that he's now saying. Just did not It was

(14:25):
not addition, it was not bringing this country and its
people together. What was being said is if he's an
observer and some political scientist, that's giving you the you
know what went wrong you or what went wrong? Pal?
You were part of it. You were part of all
of it, and so that's fine. I would just love
to hear him be a little bit more contrite and say,
you know what, I even I I got into it too,
and I was absolutely wrong, but he was part. I mean,

(14:48):
we would play the stuff he would say on this
show and it was just absolutely insane.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Same stuff. Well, here's another democratic thrategy. Just long time
threat is just Ron Brownstein also talking about the state
of the Democratic Party.

Speaker 5 (14:59):
If you talk to Democrats, you know, they they recognize
they are in a hole. I mean this, The image
of the party is probably in a weaker position than
at any point since I think the nineteen eighties, the
Reagan and George H. W.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Bush era.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
But if you ask Democrats how they think they are
going to come back, you know, there is a debate
about the you know, within the party do you fight
on every front or do you focus on the economic issues?
And I think most Democrats believe their best chance of
kind of getting a second look from the public in
twenty twenty five is this debate over the budget.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
The debate over the budget. That's their best chance. Got
it some work to do, folks. Now, I want to
go back to the comment that a Gavin Newsom said
about you know, boys and sports. Alissa Slutkin, who was
the Democratic response to Trump's speech last week, was on
Meet the Press and asked directly if she agrees with

(15:53):
what Gavin Newsom had to say about trans athletes listen
now how she.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
Answered, well, look, I think you know you'll have to
to talk to mister Newsom and his podcasts and we're
all talking about it now because it's you know, good controversy.
For me, I mean, I grew up playing three seasons
of sports in Michigan.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
Sports is like our religion, right.

Speaker 6 (16:13):
It's I wouldn't be here, I think without the leadership
training that I got in women's sports. And but for me,
it's like, let the local community figure this out. Right
in Michigan, we have a process in place where if
someone who's born a boy wants to play in women's sports,
you have to get a waiver. We've had it happen
two times in our entire state. So let the local communities,

(16:34):
just like everything.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
With schools, handle that issue.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
For me, though, I think, you know, this issue is
being sort of brought up in order to make sparks
and see sparks fly.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
First of all, Greg she didn't answer the question, but
then she I think introduced maybe the new tactics the
Democrats are going to bring up when they're talking about
transgender issues and boys and girls sports, it will be
a local issue. That's what I can see that strategy.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
So here's here's the thing is that that's they kept
saying this is rare, almost non existent issue except in
the Olympics except in NC DOUAA Division one UH women's swimming,
except in UH. I mean in volleyball, and our volleyball
and our teams here in Utah and in our in
the in the big in the divisions that Utah State

(17:23):
and everything else. So it's not what she just described.
It isn't this absolutely rare white elephant that you never
see in your life, and if you do, try to
be respectful and and and you know, compassionate. No, this
is a this is a growing issue. It has now
hit the upper echelons of all competitive sports, boxing, like
I said, the Olympics. So I don't want to hear
that anymore, that this is a never to be seen

(17:46):
occurrence and all we have to be is compassion for
the rare time that you wouldn't see it. But you know,
the dirty Republicans want to politicize it. No, it is growing.
And I've always argued that if it was any amount
of people doing it, do you need ten thousand to
do it before you then care? No, then that's how
many people you'd be impacting. Let's stop the insanity further.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Right now, right now, all right, we've got a lot
to get to today. More coming up on the Rod
and Greg Show. Great to be with you on this
Monday afternoon. All right, Doze, we've been talking a lot
about it. Of course, Elon Musk now his dealerships are
being attacked. They're crazy out there, folks. But you know,
Doze is trying to not only cut weights but take
a look at fixing entitlements. Both are essential, but can

(18:27):
they be done at the same time. Well, joining us
on our news maker line right now is Veronique do Rugies.
She is a chair of political economy, a senior research
fellow at the Mercadas Center. Veronique, thank you very much
for joining us this afternoon. Can you do both? Can
you cut weights and fixing titlements at the same time?

Speaker 7 (18:49):
Oh, it's it's an enormous challenge. So reforming entitlement is
kind of the sacred cow that no one wants to
talk about. In fact, we're regressing, you know. And in
the early two thousand they were actually Republicans willing to
put out some plans about reforming these programs. And now
it's kind of a race between the Republicans and the

(19:10):
Democrats about who will not touch, credibly not touch these programs.
So that's very, very challenging. It's always been, even though
it's actually really big deal. But you know, even like
changing the waste brought an abuse that the government of
the Department of Government Efficiency, though just trying to go

(19:32):
after it's hard to because behind every what you and
I would call waste, there's actually a special interest that
managed to convince legislators that they needed that stuff.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
So it's hard, you know, Mike, My surprise in all
of this is I do believe that with the ages
of some that are still receiving checks up into the
hundreds which are clearly just fraud for Medicaid or medica
I'm sorry for Social Security, but all of these entitlement programs,
they are discovered waste and fraud. And you would think,
though that if people did not want these entitlement programs

(20:07):
cut to real individuals who it would really harm, that
they should welcome the idea that there is waste to
be found and money to be saved to protect the program.
But you don't hear that at all. It's not good news.
It's like, no, no, no, we want the waste for entitlements too,
not just to help people, but we need that waste.

Speaker 8 (20:23):
In there too.

Speaker 7 (20:25):
You are so right, and this is something that is baffling.
According to the Government Accountability Office, which is not you know,
raging libertarian institutions, there is about two hundred and thirty
billion dollars every year in improper payments. Nine percent of
that is over payments. They are north of five hundred

(20:47):
billion dollars is broad. There's one hundred billion dollars in
improper payment for Medicare and Medicaid. There's one hundred billion
dollars at least that we know of a fraud in
Medicare and Medicaid. That's a lot of money that should
be it should be a no brainer going after that.
It should be. It should be a no brainer. But
not only does the government and Congress doesn't really try

(21:12):
to do anything to go after it because their philosophy
is kind of like, well, it's better to massively overpay
people and massively allow fraud then cut one person off
or whatever by mistake. But also they're just they're they
just don't even care. And so so year after year

(21:35):
you have these reports that come out from the Government
Accountability Office talking about how things are getting worse and
blah blah blah, and no one does everything and anything,
And as you said, everyone should be behind this because
if you manage to actually bring the federal government payment
system into the twenty fourth century, banks have been doing

(21:56):
this forever and prevent improper payment, fraud and abuse. That
means the cut that are going to be required for
entinament spending when the time come are much going to
be much lighter.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Ernick, let me ask you, I mean, but how do you,
following up on Gray's question, how do you convince the
American taxpayer out there and the people who are using
Medicaid and are using Medicared and are getting Social Security
to convince them, no, we are not trying to cut here.
What we're trying to do is simply get rid of
the waste, the fraud, and the abuse. Yet the Democrats

(22:31):
quickly say they're touching Medicaid, Medicares, host Security. They said
they wouldn't do that. How do you convince the American
people what they're trying to do is possibly make the
system a little bit easier and more functional.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
I think you have to have to create a coalition
in Congress between the Republicans who clearly are in favor
of getting rid of the fraud, and the abuse in
these programs and some Democrats, And I do think that
this is one of the value of DOGE is that
actually Elon musk As has the biggest microphone that we

(23:08):
can have, and he is actually doing more to educate
a segment of the population about the need, about the
craziness that our government is funding. Now you can say
that in a weird way, he's also alienating, you know,
like when you hear the Democrats are almost defending fraud, right,
you're it's like something weird is happening. But but but

(23:31):
I will say that I think he's bringing awareness to
a lot of this in a way that was never
done before. You know, we always had government government of reports,
you know Tom Coburn, Senator Coburn and Senator Rand Paul
they always had, you know, their the waste books and

(23:52):
and all of this, and it was that crazy, crazy examples.
But they didn't have the the they didn't have the
reach that musk has. I wish he had started, honestly
by addressing the fraud, the abuse and all of this,
because that is less controversial, and I think had he

(24:14):
started with this, maybe he would have actually kind of
gotten more grace from from from Democrats, and but you know,
I mean, what do I know. I mean, maybe they
had they were constraints, but now they're like just kind
of really intent on just blocking him and anyway, so
I hope they succeed.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Here's one more just I just can't. It's just it's
selective outrage, selective logic, and selective outrage that just doesn't
track if anyone's just thinking it through. The free market
can be a harsh and you see businesses that go
through layoffs. We've even heard during this time of doge
of Starbucks and other companies that have had big layoffs.

(24:55):
You have the government that was, I mean as harsh
as you can get during COVID, that shut down every
single business and every single employee was prohibited from going
to their place of employment while bills were still due.
And yet if you complained about that back then, the
media the government would say, you're the problem, You're you're
the So how can can you have a free market

(25:16):
that can lay people off? And we don't like it,
but we know it's a reality. And then you have
a government that just never gave any worry to the
financial future of anyone during COVID. Now sit there and say,
these government workers are going through mental health issues. You're
just you feel under attack. It's just we can't do
any of this. It is a pivot that I don't
think you can justify reasonably. Why how are they getting

(25:39):
away with that?

Speaker 7 (25:41):
So, I mean it's a very good point, right, there's
always a uh there was. It was very clear for
me living in Arlington, Virginia, which is really you know,
glued to d C, that the DC area is recession proof.

Speaker 9 (25:57):
Right.

Speaker 7 (25:57):
It means that basically, you know, during rests, the federal
the federal government and its employees and Congress still have
their jobs. No one's losing their jobs right where the
entire country is hurting. And and now that they are
actually being fired and laid off all of a sudden,

(26:18):
they are asking the entire country to feel sorry for
them for themselves because because they thought they had, you know,
jobs for lives. And uh, I don't know that you
can justify the the I think you cannot justify the
disparity between the private sector and government employee. But certainly,

(26:39):
I mean, these guys have been have learned that they
weren't touchable, and I think this is a real This
is a.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Real shock, Veryoni, thank you for joining us talking about
the battle grappling those right now is trying to figure
out what if you can cut weights and fix entitlements.
And why I say fix entitlements, Greg, they're changing in titlements.
What they're simply doing is getting in there and trying
to find the waste and abuse. And that's that's what
they're doing to the entitlement programs. And I think all

(27:08):
Americans want that.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Again, if you have, just as I asked, if you
wanted to not seize people's uh in you know, Social Security,
Medica or Medicaid cut, what you would want to see
then is a very aggressive approach at accounting and stopping waste,
fraud and abuse, so that that is what you cut
and not actual people's benefits. There isn't a soul that
should be opposed to that. That should make sense to

(27:30):
anyone without regard to political affiliations. And yet the Democrats
are outraged by waste, fraud and abuse.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
It's s good, It's good, all right. More coming up
on the Rod and Greg Show. The shakeup at the
Washington Post continues. Bezos, the owner has changed the editorial
direction right, and the editorial director quit. Guess who's quit now?
Longtime op at editor Ruth Marcus.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Don't let the door hit you on the way.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Out, she says, she just can't deal with the chain
in your direction. She doesn't like what what almost said
Elon Musk, what Jay Jeff Bezos is doing to the
Washington Post. So therefore she's out the door.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Let me translate, she's an opinionated opinion editor that cannot
take competing.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Opinion, cannot take the shure.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
She does not want to hear.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
She don't want to hear both sides.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
She is post right down the left all the time.
She can't do with it, and Bezos is trying to
change that approach. So she's out the door.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
See you, Yeah, get going, That's what I say.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
All right, really, Hey, we're going to the hockey game tonight.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah. The hockey team yep'st the Toronto.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
A bunch of Canadians by.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
More coming out. How we're number two in the rotting
rat show is on its way to stay with it,
say nice and bright until about seven thirty tonight. We
absolutely love it. I brought our chi.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
I'm citizen Hughes and are you happy that it'll be
light when the show can clues.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
And we walk out.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Automobiles, it'll be light out, which is all you've been
pining away.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
For all I've wanted. It's all you wanted, simple man.
Here we are, that's all I want.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
We all lost an hour sleep so that you can
be so happy to have it be still daily.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Got up early this morning. You're full of vimen figure today.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah, I don't see you Ray there. You're so lucky
you raised in our camera right now. Because folks, here's
what we do. We typically get together at eight thirty am.
But the story so we want to talk about on
the show. It's our show show call. But on I
think on Mondays, I think there's a trend happening. You've
got some pickleball or something place.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
So we moved the date up to seventh.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Seven three, but that this morning turns out to be
eight thirty am or no, six thirty am, six thirty am.
We're having our pre show because of your celebrated daylight savings.
Am I right on.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
My dark outside?

Speaker 3 (29:54):
It's our dark outside. I literally crawled out of bed
to do this meeting. I know the guys out of bed.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Like three minutes.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Give us any kind of runway it took you celebrate
our hours, the sleep that we had robbed, which.

Speaker 10 (30:05):
By the way, we didn't find out about this meeting
until like nine pm last night, so we find out
at nine pm that we had to be up for
a seven thirty.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Am, which in reality was six thirty am.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Now how many weeks have we been doing this on
a Monday, gentlemen?

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Well? I know, but you know, don't the Boston cruel
and unusual calling when you call it, that's when we
do it. But I will tell you that it really
hurts Rod when it's actually six thirty am and you've
making us get up and talk about the world events.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
I wonder if anybody out in radio land feel sorry
for you too right now?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Well if they probably, they don't like daylight savings time
like we did. They don't like losing an hour sleep,
then they were with us.

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Yesh?

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Speaker 3 (31:24):
Every time I see every time we do this contest,
I say in my head, I'm getting that tonight, like
I'm just gonna have Queen. We can't popular, I know
I can't. You've You've told me this, but I just
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Speaker 3 (31:45):
I'm getting greedy.

Speaker 9 (31:46):
You know.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
We were so excited. All we wanted was we have
a K next to our followers, and we got to
one thousand. Now that we're at one thing, we need
four hundred. I think we need one. I want no,
I want one point five k. We're less than one hundred. Way,
so we'll of this week, all right, Salt Lake Tribune
over the weekend.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
What was it. It was several weeks ago, Greg, when
we were aware of this social media post called data
Republican that was taking information from Elon Musk and Doge
and digging even deeper. Yes, and Elon Musk even recognized
the work that this individual was doing. So, you know,

(32:24):
we we paid attention to what was going on, and
finally we said, let's reach out to her. Let's track
who this individual is down and see if she'd like
to come on the show and talk about it. So
we were granted the first radio interview with data Republican
at that time.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
And think about this. I don't know if you remember
that interview, ladies and gentlemen, but we it got a
lot of a lot of attention, national national, cover national
people with you know, hundreds of thousands of followers were
you know, retweeting or or you know, retweeting our or
resenting our post with that interview on it. But we

(33:01):
had the she is deaf, and we had the interpreter
voice altered because that was those were the precautions that
she was trying to take to keep her privacy because
she knew that that all she's doing is she's taking
through AI encoding the nonprofits and the NGOs how they
where they receive their money, which disturbingly is federal government

(33:23):
taxpayer money more than it should ever be, and where
it goes next. And she is able to when you
put certain entities names into the search engine, she could
it will produce a flow chart that will show you
from the government taxpayer money straight to the entities of
which they've been washing money to the extent that nobody
had any idea. And that's been her contribution. And she

(33:45):
has taken that search engine and she's refined it in
many ways. People are using it.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
It is.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
It is bringing daylight and transparency to things that I'm
telling you the left never thought, never wanted, and never
thought possible could be exposed. And she's doing it. So
what do they do?

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Well, verfol it was an anti doge person out there.
This was driving her, this individual nuts. So guess what
this social media person does outser Her name, by the way,
is Jenica Pounds. And now she's getting coverage and the
Salt Lake Tribune decided to dig into her past and
see what she is all about.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Craig, Yeah, it's just well, okay, you can say she's
from Utah, it might sound like, hey, maybe we should
do it. Rolling Stone did a story about it. Okay,
but here's where they went to a place that I
think is so fundamentally unethical and I really want to
dive into this. In the Tribune story of which they
didn't wait to speak with her, now, she says they

(34:41):
didn't give her much time at all. They said they're
doing this story. She didn't have much time to be
able to even respond. So without even being able to
interview her, they do this hit piece, which that's what
I would call it. And remember uniquely, not the Desert News,
but the Salt Tribe is a nonprofit and guess what
go put her their name and her search engine, and
watch all the money that gets washed and all the

(35:02):
types of places where it comes from that gets to
the Solid Tribune, which they would love for you not
to understand. They'd attack her, But what they really attack
is her spouse's, her husband's business. Yeah, that has not
one thing to do with She's a private citizen. She's
not part of a think tank, she's not part of
an NGO or a nonprofit. She is a private citizen.
But they went after her husband's business by naming it.

(35:24):
And you know how crazy the left is what they're
doing to Elon Musk's Tesla's dealerships. They outed her her
husband's business in that story, which is not not even
the Rolling Stone stooped to that low of a level,
But sure enough that Tribune did.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Yeah, the Rolling Stone article mentioned that her husband owned
a distillery. That's basically all I said, maybe a Utah distillery.
Didn't name the company, didn't name, and he's not named here.
But all of a sudden, so what does this mean?
How would the Tribune found now now we have heard
this weekend people are a post to what Elon Musk
is trying to do, and Doge have attacked his dealerships.

(36:04):
You know they've broken into him. There are there are
reports Molotov cocktails were used on some Nazi signs weren't
painted on some of the dealerships. How do you think
that Tribune will feel if some deranged Doze opponent in
this state decides to go after her husband's distillery. How
do you think they'll feel?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
They won't care. They well see, they're authors of the
chaos and the fear as well. They want everyone to
be afraid. They want you to stop talking. They don't
want her to be And this woman, she's courageous and
she's deaf, I mean, and by having a hint, by
being disabled to some degree like that, there has to
be a level of vulnerability in terms of security or

(36:45):
people acting and trying to vandalize your home or to
attack you. They're crazy out here. We're watching the absolute
in sanity of the left just play out in real
time across this country. It has to be a pretty
scary situation for for that family to have to deal with.
And now their livelihood's being threatened. Why because they want
them to stop. They want her to stop, They want

(37:07):
her to just say, you know what, it's not worth it.
It's not worth putting the search engine on X and
letting people find out this information because it's impacting my
family and my husband our livelihood. I just think that
is why they did it. They've done it for the
most despicable reasons. And I'll tell you what. I love empathy, Rod,
I love empathy. You know what empathy is to me?
When someone has to go live on a two way street.

(37:29):
Wouldn't it be nice if somebody went and found every
employee of the Soli Tribune went and found out what
businesses their spouses may own and put that out there
because I'll tell you, people have tried to purchase from
this distillery from out of state because she's a national
people nationally appreciate her elon musk. You look at the
groups that are the people with the followers who have

(37:49):
who tracked her work. They're like, we'll buy, we'll go
get it. You will our utilized don't allow for you
to mail and ship alcohol liquor. So they can't. And
that's a shame because this would actually turn out to
be a profitable stunt that these they didn't mean it
to be, but it would have been. But she can't.
They can't deliver it at So wouldn't it be nice?
At the next level is wouldn't it be nice to

(38:11):
have all these national voices who have incredible reach abound
across the public at large across this country know what
these reporters and these the Salid tribunes spouse's businesses are.
And if they just if the Tribune heard that and
they said, well, I wouldn't like that. There you go,
there you go, well, there you go.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, And the thing that the Data Republican. As we
interviewed her on the first exclusive interview with her with
Greg she had been able to take all this information
that's being undercovered about usaid US eight right yep. And
remember she said, it comes down to eight NGOs. The
money all goes through those eight NGOs. If you can
follow the money coming out of those NGOs, you know

(38:51):
where the money is going. And she was the first
one using the information that Elon Musk and his team
had uncovered to dig deep into there and find out
who is funneling all our taxpayer dollars to these whack
job out there, these various organizations and efforts and policies.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
Yeah, and I'll tell you that one point seven trillion
is the number that she attached. That it is. It
is an absolute And Elon Musk in this large interview
that he did today, he said, it's the largest chunk
of money that is just blatant fraud. It is the
biggest scam in the world, not in the United States,
in the world happening right now. And of course they're

(39:31):
going to try and take this One person who's just
quietly in his wicked smart using AI encoding, was able
to give you a visually, you can see how the
money gets washed and how it goes and they're attacking her,
and they're attacking your livelihood. And so no one's ever
going to convince me that that, including that her spouse's
the name of its business, anything but despicable. It is despicable.

(39:55):
Did not need to be a part of this story.
We would both agree.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
All right, Moore, coming up on the Rod and Greg
Show with you on this Monday afternoon here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine k n R.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
As you're a.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Leader, and don't forget the podcast. If you miss any
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It's all the rage, It's all the rage, yes right, yeah,

(40:26):
that's what I've heard.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
So I want to share with you a couple examples
of the absolute unhinged weeping, wailing, protesting, really economic terrorism
in many cases, vandalizing and destroying Tesla dealerships that we're
we're hearing examples of over the weekend. Here is a
protest that you're going to listen to with a speaker

(40:49):
with a mask on in the middle of the spring
complaining about you know, Elon, she's a federal worker. This
is protesting the terrible treatment of federal work at the
hands of Elon Musk. Let's have a.

Speaker 11 (41:01):
Listen weekend and you get the fork in the road
message or you get the subsequent five bullets.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Hey, what the.

Speaker 11 (41:12):
Hell did you do you lazy federal worker this week?
How frightening is it that someone on X, the owner
of X, speaks to you directly to say, what did
you do last week at work?

Speaker 2 (41:32):
And if you don't answer, I Am going to fire you.

Speaker 11 (41:38):
But even more egregious, the President comes out, the most
powerful person in the land and endorses that message. How
do you think that makes federal workers feel?

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Now, let me ask you this quick, yeah, how many
of you have ever been asked by your employer, if
you're in the private sector, to give me an accounty
or give me a performance view, a review of what
you've done the past week, the past month, the past
three months, yep. It happens all the time. And where
were they Greg Bill Clinton? I saw this story today,

(42:15):
laid off three hundred and thirty seven thousand federal workers
he was in office. Where where were the fat Where
were that was fine? Where where were the protests? Where
were the demonstrations? Where would the outcry?

Speaker 3 (42:31):
I think I don't know, there's a bias, there's a
confirmation bias where they just because he's a Democrat, they're
not going to question it. But I just don't even
know if this whole NGO money scam was really and
it's in full you know, full fledged uh you know,
full speed back then either. But here's the thing. Let's
let's before I make a point, let me let's let's
listen to it. This is an this is a panelist
of it's got, the you know, the Morning Joe crew

(42:53):
on it and It's got they're all talking about what's
happening to Elon Musk personally in his visits the Tesla
dealerships because of his involvement with Doge. And this is
an observation that's made almost with enthusiasm. Let's have a
let's have a here. I don't hear it.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
It's there.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
No, I don't know why I should be there.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Oh trade again again, My fault, my fault.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Okay, ready, yep.

Speaker 12 (43:22):
Actually he's very rich. He's got control of X they
give those are big assets to Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
But I got to.

Speaker 12 (43:29):
Say, how long Elon Musk is going to want to
continue to to see people attacking Tesla dealerships around the country,
lighting Tesla charging stations on fire, painting swastika is on
the sides of Tesla dealerships and seeing the stock price
plummet that way, impacting his personal wealth.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
And he's very rich.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Yeah, I don't know. They sit there and they lay
out this this pathway to fear. By the way, the
people that are organizing this are called indivisible Is it
called Indivisible project, the individual Indivisible project. This is funded
by billionaires. This is Bill Gates, the guy that started
by George Soros is one of them, another character. These guys,

(44:10):
they are the ones that are the This is astro turf.
This is not grassroots. And they've been they've been going
after him and trying to create what chaos and fear
and they're hoping to intimidate Elon Musk away from the
work he's doing with Doge.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah, now, how does DOGE work? Everybody thinks Greg incorrectly,
that Elon Musk can go in and just lay off
hundreds of thousands of federal employees. It doesn't work that way.
As a matter of fact, Wyoming lawmaker Congresswoman Maggie Hagerman,
who Greg and I both like a lot. I think
she's great up in Wyoming, but she was on a

(44:46):
podcast and asked about how does it work. Let's say
when it comes to the Department of Education, the.

Speaker 13 (44:51):
Federal Department of Education spends it as a budget of
about two hundred and eighty billion dollars a year. Less
than twenty five percent goes to educating our students. So
where does the other two hundred and twenty billion dollars go.
It goes to a bureaucracy, It goes to a consultant,
and that consultant then donates money back to the Democrats,

(45:11):
and then it goes to a different consultant, and then
it goes to an NGO, and then it goes to
I mean, it is money laundering and money churning at
its absolute best. And you can look at almost every
single agency and you will find it. So the brilliance
of Doge isn't that he's going in and cutting spending.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
He doesn't have the authority to do that. We're the
ones that have the authority to do that.

Speaker 13 (45:34):
What I want him to do is come up with
a report, go through agency by agency by agency, identify
every single program that we should not be funding, put
a number attached to it. We slap a preamble on
the front of that report, and we say that every
single agency is having their budget cut by x amount
as shown in the attached report, and none of those
programs can go forward from here on out.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Pretty simple plan. That's how it works, folks.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Yep, And again you heard that protest about how scary
it is. Elon Musk, could he explained elaborate even further.
It was a pulse test, not even an efficiency test.
He wanted to know how many federal workers were no
show jobs that didn't actually exist in real life. This

(46:18):
was a pulse test to see of all these federal workers,
do you exist A and B do you even have
a job? I mean, do you have something that you
can even report back? So the pulse test is what
that was. That is about the lowest. That is about
the height of a curb in terms of bars, high
bars or low bars. Okay, So I just have no
no simpthy, especially when you think back five years ago
this week when every business was shut down. I didn't

(46:41):
hear the media getting upset. Everybody that had a job
didn't have a job. And guess what bills were still
doing every thirty days. Okay, where was all the panic
if you complained about any of those aspects your business
shut down, your job, you couldn't go to you got
bills pending. You were the problem if you dared speak up.
And that's now We've got to look at these federal
workers and say, you were asked if you're if you're alive? Hello,

(47:02):
are you out there?

Speaker 7 (47:03):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (47:03):
How scary. You couldn't even go to church, Craig No,
I mean, oh but you know you can still you
can still do the BLM rights.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
Queen Beak always reminds me the moment she knew that
the whole thing about COVID was a scam was the
day that Fauci said, you can go to the BLM right,
and you're fine. You can't go to church. From that
point on, there was nothing else to be said.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
All right, more coming up here on the Monday afternoon
edition of The Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio
one oh five nine k n RS on this Monday afternoon.
Hope everybody had an absolutely fantastic weekend. I know you did,
mister Hughes. You just kind of relaxed and after the
craziness up on Utah's Capitol Hill, you got kind of
a little break.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Yeah, you know, I think our listeners know I fight
on the side of angels, whether it's you know, dropping
truth bombs here in the afternoon drive time, or whether
it's uh, you know, old friends and sheriff's others call
me back to duty and say let's let's do some
good things up there. But I think our legislative session,
only seven weeks, one of the shortest, if not the shortest,
in America, could not be better. I think that's about

(48:05):
as much time as you want to give a branch
to pass a budget, prove some bills, and get out
and go live with what they do.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Yeah, yep, yep, and it's all over and we wait
for another year.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
Now.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
A couple of school notes, Greg, I saw this story.
Apparently this is taking place around the country. But schools
are now banning Guess what they're banning. That's an open
ended question. I know, to go wild. Guess it's something
you'd never think a school would ban pencils, No woes, shoes.

(48:37):
They're banning shoes, They're banning crocs. Crocs.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Have you ever had a pair of crocs?

Speaker 3 (48:42):
No? No, I haven't. I've seen them though. I mean
I think my wife had them. Really yeah, very popular.
Yeah they are. I wouldn't wear them. No, I don't
wear CROs.

Speaker 12 (48:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
But apparently, according to this story in the UK Daily Mail,
schools across the country are increasingly banning crocs from campuses
over fear the cults slip on footwear will cause injuries
and lawsuits.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Why is it? Because they're rubber and they slip in the.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
They slip or they twist an ankle. Crocs are banned
in dozens of schools in some entire districts in at
least twenty states, to the consternation of kids who adore
the casual shoes. I think my grandkids all have a
pair of Yeah, e fact.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
I think we gave them to too.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Numerous schools brought in the bands over the past few
years after more children showed up wearing them after the
COVID pandemic. All right, the brand long eye polarizing casual
shoe for adults pivoted toward marking toward the kids. And
apparently they're causing a lot of injuries. So more and
more school districts rig are banning them.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
Well, that's one thing they can focus on, I guess,
or you know, the corrosive nature of crocs. I know,
it's just it's just killing the schools. You know, they
can't kids can't learn in those crocs. I mean, that's
the biggest problem we've got, right.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, Well, I've seen a lot of nurses wear them.
Nurses like, actually, you're right, you mentioned that. I had
a lot of rs that too.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah, Like, I come on, I just think that there's
so much going on with our schools right now that
that on the list. If you had a list of
I don't know, even a one hundred things to do,
does it make the first hundred when you're talking about
things that have to happen in these schools. Ours not
for me. Probably they need like you said, pencils, pencil paper.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Speaking of schools, I think the Utah legislature considered this
at one time. You're so knowledgeable, what about what goes
on there?

Speaker 3 (50:31):
You do?

Speaker 1 (50:32):
But apparently Arkansas public school students will now be required
to take a gun safety course.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah, we don't have that as a requirement. There has
been efforts to make it a an elective that's available
to all students, and I'm not even sure that that
has passed as a required elective, but it has been
certainly has been discussed in our state legislature. But how
interesting to make it a core curriculum class that people

(50:59):
take gun safety It would make them more familiar with
the firearms, and that can't be a bad thing. I
know the liberals don't want them to, you know, they
want them to just never touch and be afraid of
them so they can take them from them. You know,
that's they always call accues that Trump and everyone Republicans
being fascist. Last time I checked the ones that want
to disarm their their country and population. That never ends well,

(51:23):
and it always goes one way, and it's never on
the side of the people when they do that. But
somehow they don't get called out on it. But you know,
a lot of people, if they've never been around. They
don't have a family or a parent, has a parent
or parents that are comfortable around guns. They never get
They never they themselves never discover whether it's something they
like or not. But if everyone's given a chance, they
come to find out they actually like target practice, shooting,

(51:45):
maybe hunting, whatever, and at least they're not afraid of them.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Every will tell us all the time, when he was
in junior high school, they used to have a gun club. Yeah,
and a gun range in the school at that time.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah, And you see kids walking down the halls where
they're twenty two's or whatever.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
I remember. You can get a merit badge over that.
You can do target practice merit badge, I remember, Yeah, yeah,
I did the rank did you achieve? I don't know.
I can't remember, you know, And I was not an eagle.
I didn't get I don't get to go in those
eagle nests during the court of honor, eagle court of honors,
when they say all the eagles come to the eagle's
nest and all the all the you know, all the

(52:21):
stalwarts get up and go over there. I'm still sitting.
That's the first one you had to get to. You
first got into my sons. I have three sons, all
are eagle scouts. Now, let me ask you a question, Yes,
did they earn those or did rodeo queen helpful lot?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Yea, it is.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
I think that is the way I always think. I
just always think the moms are just so proud, and
you know, because they really did do so much to
get that eagle scout awarded.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Moms should be given eagle scouts.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Tell you, hey, you're right, he's an eagle scout. That
that's good. Shout out for good for him.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
All right, more coming up on the Rodden Greg Show
with you on this Monday afternoon. Thanks for joining us
on this on Monday. If you want to be a
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smartphone just style pound two fifty and say hey Rod.
Article over the weekend in Politico, Greg, and I know

(53:17):
Politico very left leaning, We understand that, but it was
interesting that apparently there are some Democrats out there, Greg
who now think think that swearing like a drunken sailor
will help make Americans.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Like them.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
It's yeah, okay, and it apparently is picked up since
you know the State of the Union or what addressed
to Congress last week. The Democrats have been roundly criticized
for their performance during that evening and that speech given
by President Trump, which was a great speech in my opinion,
but they're being criticized. So now they've decided to go

(53:57):
to swearing and their d up and f bombs all
over the place, even to the chagrin of when Bill Maher,
who's pretty good at doing it himself.

Speaker 14 (54:06):
Here's Jasmine Crockett, who, as I thought, a big leader
in the Democratic Party. Her quote is, this is a
terrible nightmare. Somebody slapped me and wake me up, because
I'm ready to get on with it, h on with
what would be my first question? And also this is
this is the way, this is like how a podcaster

(54:28):
talks or so can you imagine I don't know Obama saying,
oh man, dude, this is whacked.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Just slap me over.

Speaker 9 (54:38):
I mean, come on.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Man, come on, man, He's absolutely right. What do they
hope to achieve? You know, people have been critical of
Donald Trump for a long time the language he uses,
But I don't think he's ever seen that bomb.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
And look there's been some clips of that that particular
member of Congress. This woman, Look, she grew up rich.
She went to like a thirty thousand dollars a year, uh,
you know, finishing school before she went to college, and
then she went to some you know, hody toady, you
know college whatever. When she was interviewed that she was
gonna run for Congress. She has perfect English. She's not

(55:13):
speaking the way she's talking now. So this is all
an act. And they think that instead of embracing the
issues that are confronting Americans, that they can go to
some kind of place where they're just going to talk
like and act like and and maybe mention some sports
like everyday Americans, and then they'll actually believe them that
they care or they're that that they're on their side. Sorry,

(55:35):
I think the the actions speak louder than words, and
you know, I just think I just think they're just
such an there's just such a contrived and just in
authic and inauthenticity to everything that they're doing right now.
I mean, when you get that Van Jones who just
says we're screwed, I mean, I don't know what I
can't tell you what because they just we have nothing.

(55:57):
I mean, you help, you help make that bed. But
he's right, they don't have anything that's credible. I think
every single week we get on this program. I think
it's one of the reasons why I think that since
Trump's been elected, you're seeing our program a lot of
programs that are getting higher rates because somebody needs to
hear something to make some semblance of sense, because nothing
that the media is covering makes any sense at all,

(56:18):
and it's getting worse.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah, well, they so greg, they so misread the election.
They thought Kamala Harris had a good chance of beating Trump.
They honestly believe that they'd have a good chance of
holding on to the Senate and that Hkeem Jeffries would
in fact be the Speaker of the House. None of
it turned out, and now they're going, oh, okay, how

(56:42):
do we find ourselves? What is our message to the
American people? It's got to be more than boys and
girls' bathrooms and DEI it's got to be more than that.
And they don't know how to get there.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
You know what. I think that they didn't have a
high confidence that she could truly win. I think that
they thought they could do what they pulled off in
twenty twenty because a lot of those swing states come
down to just a few or a handful of votes,
where you get the whole state in its electoral votes,
and I think they thought they could do that strategically
and pull that off because there's a saying you don't

(57:13):
care who votes, you just care who counts. I think
that the Democrats with Kamala up there, all they at
first Biden and then her, all it was about is
who's counting the votes. To me, that's what I think.
I think they thought they had they had a game
plan on who counts the votes. But I think it's
what Trump did and what their strategy was is too
big to rig. The numbers coming in for Trump were insurmountable.

(57:35):
They couldn't they couldn't try to do what they did
in twenty because the numbers came in. So every single
county I think went right of center in this last election,
every count I mean in America, in California, in the
Blue states, they moved, they shifted to the right. That
is that they could not overcome that. That is what
they couldn't overcome. And now guys like Jake Tapper or

(57:56):
this Van Jones are saying, you know, they Biden really
hurt the party and they were all apologists, they were
all defending them. They were all part of this reach,
singing off the same sheet of music. And now that
they've lost, Yeah, they're acting aghast that they that that
Biden was so selfish that they continue on and that
I mean they just or you can't rip on America
and then expect to have their votes. Yeah, you guys

(58:16):
were all part and parcel. That was that was your
game plan the whole time.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
And do they actually think greg the being a swear
bear in public and dropping every time they turn, I
think that turns off a lot of them.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Of course it does.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
And Americans are saying, look it. You know, yeah, Donald
Trump isn't perfect, but I'm not aware of him ever
dropping an F bomb during a public speech. You may
have dropped a few farm words, but you know, for
them to go to this level, I think it's actually
a sign of desperation that that's what's going on.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
It made no mistake. I might be, on occasion a
bit of a swear bearer myself, so I'm not lily
white on that, but I certainly do not speak in
a public forum. I never spoke as a as a
public service the house that way. I had a very
private conversation once in a very heated conversation with a
state senator that that the media found out about and

(59:06):
then they printed it. Yeah, and it was embarrassing. It
was terrible.

Speaker 12 (59:10):
All right.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
When we come back, something that you taught legislature this
year that I like and I think great election as well.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
I do too.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
We'll talk about it next. Stay with us. Don't forget
to download the iHeartRadio app brand new. You can do
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Speaker 3 (59:31):
That's right. And then the podcast after the eighties, you
can do whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Yeah, yeah, well, yield the wighties. We'll do sixties and seventies. Yep,
the greatest.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Generation of the sixties. No seventies. Okay, I go there.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Well, you taught legislature wrapped up on on Friday night
at midnight, mister Hughes, you were there, would you like
to give us a grade A, B, C or D.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
You know what I it's it's a little different when
you' not a lawmaker. It's hard to assess the entire
you are an observer, but I am the observer of
the process. I think they worked very hard. It was
probably the biggest challenge is that I in my opinion
that they had this year is that the budget putting
a budget together looked very, very different this year than
any year in the past.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
We are in a washing money well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
The the state's economy grew, but it grew at about
three and a half percent, and there's been an embarrassment
of riches for this state. Is it's seen a lot
stronger economic returns than that, plus a lot of COVID
money in there too. So budgets were probably the biggest challenge.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Yeah, A good idea. Well, one of the uh one
of the laws that came up before lawmakers or bills
that was approved by both houses of the state legislature
and apparently either has been or will be signed by
Governor Cox. This is a measure which bans pride flags
among other flags from Utah schools and sponsored State Representative

(01:00:52):
Trevor Lee is joining us on our news maker line
right now to talk about this. Trevor, how are you
welcome to the rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
Hey Rod, he great, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
All right. You've been thinking about this idea for a while.
From what I understand, why did you have success this
year with it? Do you think, Trevor?

Speaker 15 (01:01:10):
Well, after having some filed attempts at making political neutrality
with our flags last session, I had a lot of
constituents reach out to me expressing concern that something still
needed to be done. We had to find a way
to make sure that zero political agendas were being pushed
on our children within the school system, and so from

(01:01:32):
there over the summer, I actually had an idea to
expand it to cities and counties as well, because why not.
I have friends who work for either Salt Lake City
and I will call them out as the city who
has the biggest infractions of this, who are putting political
agenda flags up for entire months at a time and
makes them feel uncomfortable. And tax payer entities should never

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be playing politics or pushing it, specifically when it's our
taxpayer money at work there. I'm going to say the
same thing for our schools, even more so with children
who are vulnerable can be influenced. They should never know
which way a teacher stands politically on issues. So this
last year I worked really hard to make sure I
understood either where Senators stood on this issue, my colleagues

(01:02:16):
in the House, and that we could put force some
legislation that would stand up against potentially lawsuits free speech issues,
and making sure that we're being fair with what is
going to be allowed to be flown. And the biggest
difference between mine and bills in the past was I
specifically listed what was approved, not what could not be approved,
which that list is much larger than a list that says, okay,

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American flag, state flags, including the state historic flag, you
can fly these kinds. Anything not on the list, you
can't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
So what I liked about the bill and congratulations because
the governor has made it clear that he plans to
sign this if he hasn't already, is that in order
to avoid even free speech issue as you've pointed out,
or anything else, you made it very even handed, meaning
you're getting these entities out of the flag waving business.

(01:03:07):
Primarily they get to, like you said, the historical state flag,
the state flag, or the US flag, but otherwise, even
if it's a flag you like, if it's the Armed
forces if it's something we're just getting out of the
flag business generally. So you know this this this bill
has been called the you know, the Pride Flag bill.
But did your colleagues really understand that this was across

(01:03:30):
the board we're just getting out of the flag game.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 15 (01:03:34):
In fact, I think when the argument is put not
on one specific flag, it's put on, hey, we need
to have political neutrality with something that is used as
a symbol to express which way you lean one way
or another. Everyone could come to that agreement, at least
on the Republican side. It was very consensus, I mean,
fifty three votes in the House, twenty one in the

(01:03:55):
Senate to say, hey, you know what, there's a time
and a place for these flags. The tax payer entities
and schools are not the place for them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Trevor, what do you do with violators? I mean, and
how do you keep them out of the schools? I mean,
what's going to happen? Is there a process? What's going
to have to happen? Will you leave it up to
the district, to the individual schools. What do you see
happening here?

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yeah, so that's a good question.

Speaker 15 (01:04:18):
We try to make sure this would have some teeth
behind it is you guys probably know many districts currently
have their own flag I guess policies in place, and
they're not really being followed. I get calls all the
time from parents from a concerned individuals saying, hey, like
they're still flying flags even though my district has a policy.
So the enforcement in this bill is twofold number one,

(01:04:42):
five hundred dollars day in fraction if you're seeing flying
a flag that's not on the approved list. So that's
number one, and the auditor will be the office responsible
to enforce this part of the bill. The second part
of it is it's a state law. Is being a
state law. I mean anyone can take that up as
a suit with the entity or within the school if

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they fill it is violating what is a law.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
So there's two parts to it. I think the five
hundred dollars a day in fraction is going to be
a big one. And so if any of your listeners,
if anyone sees it in schools after May seventh, they've
seen on a government property being flown at the entity,
please report it to your legislator, to the Auditor's office,
and we'll make sure that we can handle that as accordingly.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
You know, I loved so Governor Cox. He in announcing
that he it was his intention to sign your bill
into law, ask the rhetorical question, and I think this
is where I think it really does. It's a kind
of an AHA moment. He asked how many that would
like to see a Pride flag would be good with
a MAGA with a you know, make America Great Again
flag flown in those classrooms or in those schools, or

(01:05:46):
in those those in those government buildings. And he indicated
that most of the people he asked, if they were
interested in seeing Pride flags flown in those government buildings
or schools, would not want to see make America Great
Again flag flown. And that takes me back to like
Huntington Beach, where their government, their city started flying MAGA
flags and everybody started losing their mind on everybody, but

(01:06:06):
the people that didn't like the MAGA flag, they didn't
like that idea either. So I think it's a pretty
even handed. If you think of the different scenarios where
different flags could be flown, it seems to be pretty
even handed. Any MAGA supporters mad that their flags have
just been banned from all the schools and government buildings representively.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 15 (01:06:27):
However, I will say this great because this leads me
to a great point when so Senator McKay ran this
in on the Senate side and did a fantastic job.
They had much more rigorous debate than we did on
the House side. And his point was, it even goes
as far as you know, we've had religious stuff banned
from government entities and schools for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Why is this any different.

Speaker 15 (01:06:47):
This is a whole nother movement, and so just like
a maga flags or religious stuff, Yeah, let's keep it
all politically neutral. Let's keep the religions out like we've
been told for a long time, but let's also keep
the political movements out. And that I thought was a
very good argument that he made.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
I want to ask you, Trevor, you've tried before, you
got it through this time. What was the difference do
you think was it more detailed, more specific in the
language of the bill, which really helped people understand what
you were trying to do. What was the difference?

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
I think it was twofold.

Speaker 15 (01:07:18):
I think number one was the specifying in that language
that I really tried to make sure I also followed
what other states had them that was similar to it
pertaining to the schools, so Tennessee had that in their
language last year. And then the other part was the
work over the last year trying to understand where my

(01:07:39):
colleagues stood on this issue. What were their concerns, you know,
were they maybe were they yes, like what can I
do to help get you over the hamp and where
do you stand? And for even those who may not
have liked it initially, I mean the surprisingly many of
them jumped.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
On board and came over when they realized, yeah, it
just makes a lot of sense. And so I think
that the work the four session is what helped with that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
I guess last question for me it it looks like
it took to the last second to the last day
of the session, uh three, you know, in three o'clock hours,
so it's not just after three, So it wasn't like
a at midnight, you know, nail bier. But given that,
you you know, it took most of the session to
get through. Is that just a normal process or did

(01:08:25):
you find that some people were maybe trying to hold
this bill up just because they didn't want to delve
into the topic at all.

Speaker 15 (01:08:35):
You know, that's a that's a really good question. Creating
you would understand more than most.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
But this had a lot to do with.

Speaker 15 (01:08:42):
Just making sure other issues weren't getting in the way
that we didn't want the late night push, which is
one of the reasons one of the bills like this
felt last year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
They didn't feel like there was time to vet it.
We also there was a.

Speaker 15 (01:08:54):
Day that we were going to do it and then
there was just some arguments going on. As a body
that didn't phil rights, we held it held it off,
and so it really was just when the timing felt
right and we got through some other big bills that
we wanted to make sure we had those discussions on it,
and it played out beautifully.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
So, Trevor, do you expect any free speech challenges because
I imagine that issue maybe coming up.

Speaker 7 (01:09:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
No, that's a really good question too.

Speaker 15 (01:09:22):
In our Senate committee hearing, we had our ledged research
talk about the constitutional analysis they did on the bill,
and they believe weren't a good place with how we
crafted it. On the teacher side, it's within their official
capacity as an educator, so it's anywhere that's in their room,
if they use their office desk to educate kids, and

(01:09:43):
that's part of their capacity as a teacher. They are
a little bit different than like, let's say, an employee
on the city side. The entity itself does not have
those free speech rights that like an individual has. So
the individuals could within their offices do that, but outside
the front kind of like the city building like that,
that's a no go. And so we made sure within

(01:10:04):
the language of the bill it was not going to
infringe on the free speech side, and that's why we're
confident we're going to be Okay, Trevor, good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
To work on this. It's a bill of both Greg
and I support, and I think a lot of Utah
supported as well. Thanks for joining us. Good work, Thank
you guys. Appreciate say Representative Trevor Lee talking about the
so called Pride Flag bill. It is much more than that,
you know, Greg, We've we've got a few minutes. I
want to open up the phones see what our listeners think. Absolutely,
I'd like to know what they think. I've talked about

(01:10:32):
this for a long long time and I've I've said
we need to do exactly what Trevor is talking about,
and he's talking about the American flag, the state flag,
old and new. That's it. We don't need anything more
than that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Yeah, you know, and that's and the reason. And I again,
we'd love to hear from you. Is this a bill
worth passing? Do we want to not see? Do we
want to get our government in our schools out of
the flag game?

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Please?

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Even the ones you like, even the ones you don't like.
Eight eight eight five seven zer row eight zero one
zero is the number to call. I'd love to hear
from you and see what you think about this bill,
if if you thought it was necessary, if you think
it's good or not good. But I tell you that
when we wanted panhandling to stop on these intersections, we
couldn't just say panhandling. We had to because we got

(01:11:17):
sued by the A c l U. We had to say,
you can't transact out of the out of a window
of a car with a person in an intersection at
a red light that was never designed for financial transactions.
So even the even the even the you know, because
firemen would have the boot, remember how they had they
would fundraise, we had to call them and say, you know,
your days of two and that are going to be
over because we just got to stop the fundraising. We

(01:11:39):
got to stop the transactions at the red lights at
the intersections. They were fine, they'll go to a walmart,
the firefighters, but you know it. The only thing is
I still see it at a lot of these roads.
It's because cities have to enforce that law. But making
it even handed is how it's how it was stood
any kind of constitutional challenge.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Very specific, is what you're saying. Every all right, your
calls coming up eight eight eight five seven eight zero
one zero triple eight five seven oh eight zero one zero,
your calls and comments coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
And you're a leader. And if you're a follower of
the Ryan Gregg Show, you're clearly yeah, you are one
of you t leaders.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
You are a leader. Well, if you're just joining us now,
we're taking a few of your phone calls tonight. Eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero. Are on
your cell phone. You can dial pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod.
We're talking about political statement flags like Pride flags or
MAGA flags being banned from Utah schools and government buildings
approved by Utah lumakers either has been signed or is

(01:12:36):
about to be signed by the Governor. Let's go to
the phone, see what you think about this. We want
our first caller. She does want her name on the show,
but we will put her on to uh let her
share her thoughts on this. How are you and welcome
to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 16 (01:12:50):
Hi, thanks for taking my call. I really wanted to
ask representatively this question. But as this bill got passed,
there's been some talk of around schools of creating generic
posters that say all are welcome or things like that,
which to me sounds political. Uh, how would that be

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received by the law.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
That's a good question.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
That's a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Well, I have to well have to get a note
to Trevor on that one. I'm not sure it is political.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
It can be, but it can that it has to be.
I mean just saying, you know, all are welcome, all welcome.
I mean, I don't know. It's too bad. Let's go
a bit. It's a very good question, and I'd like
to know the answer. But I want a generic sign
and says vote for Trump, black and white, just vote
for Trump. Three words, vote for Trump. See if that's
see if that generic sign holds water. Okay, let's go

(01:13:43):
to Delane and bountiful Delane. Thank you for holding Welcome
to the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 8 (01:13:49):
So much. You know me, You're entitled to my opinion,
whether you want it or not.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
We love.

Speaker 6 (01:13:58):
I was really.

Speaker 8 (01:13:59):
Excited to share my opinion. I wanted to say the
bill only applies to flags, so it's just for flags,
so it doesn't apply. And it things hanging in the costume,
so it doesn't apply to like as the teacher wears
a gay pride pen or has something like that on
her desk, like a teacher may wear a cross or

(01:14:19):
even maybe a trump. I don't know, but that's something
to consider. I think you can tell I love this bill.
I think it's awesome. I think it's really sad that
we even need this bill because this is what happens
when we allow the violation of principles to play out.
We should never have allowed that. You should have stopped

(01:14:39):
it right at the very beginning because it is a
political symbol and so and that's against the law. In
the Purpalav you taught to have to bring politics of
either side into the costume. So this is what happens.
And you know, I was starting to his spy both
in the House and the Senate and the testimony I
gives the bill which really really broke my heart. It

(01:15:02):
was that if I can't fly the gay Pride flag
in the classroom, I feel a race and I feel
like I'm excluding, And I think, how sad that someone
feels like they don't matter because they can't fly their
flag in the classroom. And I to testify that it
is very exclusive. It's a very exclusionary to people who don't.

Speaker 7 (01:15:23):
Embrace that flag.

Speaker 8 (01:15:24):
We're excluding, you know, nine percent of the classroom. And
I have one more point that I want to I
have one more point of one to make. I don't
agree that religion should be out of the classroom. I
absolutely feel that we need to teach. As an educator,
I don't teach a religion, but I do believe that

(01:15:45):
religion must be taught in the classroom. I think it's
very dangerous not to because we can never be free
if we don't have a religious moral foundation. Not any
specific religion, absolutely, but all religions. Benjamin Frinklin was very clear,
tak what makes the religion. There's five things that create
a religion, and if we teach those things, we have

(01:16:07):
all these problems with our children. They are suffering so
much society and so many emotional issues and so many problems.
And we have created these problems as a society and
the schools, and then we have all these programs to
fix the problems, when if we just reinstated so reinstated
just a moral foundation, it would eliminate most of these problems.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Elaniel, you make very good points, every one of them,
Thank you, Delane. And she does make a good points.
But it does raise a question, Greg, what if what
if I took a fairly large poster and made a
Pride flag out of that poster and put it on
the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
Yeah, one of our listeners just sent us one. Yeah,
like something like that. Ye, this is a Utah This
is generated by the government. This is the state of Utah.
This is for a Safe Utah app And it shows
that it shows a rainbow button on on the on
the person who where they're encouraging them to get the app.
And that's what gets you, uh, it's what you're going through.

(01:17:07):
And and so there you go. There's an example of
it right there that this bill would not address. Now, look,
sometimes bills can't be all things. I mean, these are
issues that are still those I mean, I think I
think we're better. I think we've left that session in
the state of Utah better than we entered it in
terms of government buildings and schools not being able to
get into the flag game. But I do think that

(01:17:27):
that the callers that just called us have an absolute
valid point. And I think that posters like the one
that was just sent to me here that I've described,
where it does have a button that is all about
the LGBT community or whatever that it's it's not if
you went and put them again, just use the test.

(01:17:47):
Can you put a make America great Again but somewhere
and on a poster, especially government created one, would you
be okay? I don't think. I think people would say no.
And if you can't say yes to both, then you
shouldn't say it yes to either.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I thought that's a
great way to put it all right, more coming up
it is the Monday evening edition of the Rod and
Greg Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one o
five nine knrs right here on Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine kN r S.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
I'm Rod Arquette, I'm Citizen Hughes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Shall we talk about energy for a few minutes. Donald Trump,
in his speech emphasized again he wants the American energy
industry to take off, as he said during that speech
last Tuesday, Drill, baby, drill. I love it when he
says that. But what's happening if that is the case,
what's going to happen to solar and wind power? Story?

(01:18:42):
The other day? And I think I've got it here
in front of me, let me check real fast. There
was a another uh yeah, taxpayer money down the rat hole.
A solar power company got three billion dollars from the
Biden administration. It's not going bankrupt, right, surprise, surprise, right?

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
So shocked?

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Yeah? Is that is that the one in Nevada?

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Yes? Yeah, no, No, this is a different one. Nevada
has already said they're going bankrupt. They're already going bankrupt.
So who knows one.

Speaker 7 (01:19:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Joining us on our news Baker Line to talk more
about this right now is Jason Isaac. Jason is president
of American Energy Works based in Austin, Texas, joining us
to talk about the status of solar power in this
country today. Jason, thanks for joining us the give us
an update as to the solar energy industry.

Speaker 9 (01:19:31):
Well, the solar power industry loves to brag about the
billions of dollars that they're investing into the market there,
and I heard this just this week before the Texas
Energy Resources Committee, billions of dollars in investments in wins,
solar and battery storage.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
But it's really inefficient. We just need a small fraction.

Speaker 9 (01:19:50):
Of that invested in things that work, and then Americans
would have reliable electricity that is also affordable. And unfortunately
we are teetering on reliable and certainly affordability has escaped.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
US.

Speaker 9 (01:20:03):
Prices up in the US are up twenty five to
thirty percent over the last four to five years. And
it's unfortunate because people getting their electricity disconnected is on
the rise. And as you're experiencing cold temperatures, solar isn't
producing any electricity, but it's taking up vast swaths of land.
We're just not getting any investment for it. What's keeping
the lights on right now and the heat on thermal

(01:20:26):
electricity from natural gas, coal and nuclear.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
You know, Jason, I don't know if you've noticed, but
your issue, and specifically the issue of whether solar is
sustainable or if it's a scam, it's found its way
into television shows or streaming shows. Yellowstone and land Man.
I don't know if you've seen the scenes where in
Yellowstone John Dutton is the governor and he's going over

(01:20:52):
these environmental issues and he really talks about the futility
of these large fields of solar panels. And then in
Landman they talk about all the polymers and all the
plastics used from oil to go into the into these
panels that don't last long Bayway. It's not an academic
pursuit anymore. I'm starting to see it actually as a
part of an entertainment, a show of entertainment and part

(01:21:15):
of the plot. Do you think that people are starting
to understand a little bit more that some of these
alternative energies are just kind of a scam. Yeah, I
think so.

Speaker 9 (01:21:24):
In Texas, we just saw some polling recently conducted by
a WPA intelligence that shows that over seventy two percent
of Texans believe that wind and solar should be held
to a reliability standard, that they should be able to
put electricity on the grid when people need it most.
And you look during the winter, the maximum amount of
installed capacity of solar will put on the grid during

(01:21:46):
peak demand times is nine percent of their installed capacity.
The average is below five percent. So billions of dollars
producing nothing wind it's maximum amount that it'll produce of
it's installed capacity city is not even thirty percent. And unfortunately,
that's about fifty percent of the grid in Texas right now.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Jason, what about Well, let's talk about Texas, and Texas
is not alone in this, but there have been several
states who have been very aggressive in pursuing either wind
or solar. Are they starting to back down? Are their
eyes starting to be opened and say, maybe this is
not the direction we want to go in.

Speaker 9 (01:22:24):
Well, unfortunately, they're still throwing billions of dollars out in
these rural areas, and so the landowners are rightfully so
they're taking advantage of this, they're taking advantage of the subsidies.
But our grid managers at the Electrical Liability Council of
Texas and puc I hope are waking up to the
realization that they need to have some sort of reliability
and affordability measurement.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
In our grid.

Speaker 9 (01:22:47):
So wind is.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Not growing as fast as solar and batteries.

Speaker 9 (01:22:52):
Are, and it has a lot to do with the
amount of money that the Inflation Reduction Act is throwing
at these things. So I'm hopeful and cautiously optimistic Congress
is going to completely rescind the Inflation Reduction Act because
it is causing massive inflation and leading to less reliable
and higher cost electricity. But slowly and surely that the
people are waking up in Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Is investor money drawing up at all at this point
or is it still there?

Speaker 9 (01:23:17):
Yeah, it is a little bit because of the bankruptcies
that you're seeing. You're seeing wind companies fail left and right,
You're seeing solar companies fail left and right. Unfortunately, some
of the companies that are failing are people that have
been conned into buying rooftop solar, and now those companies
are going out of business. Those people that bought rooftop
solar aren't aware that they've signed contracts they have to

(01:23:38):
keep paying for it for twenty years in some cases,
even though they're not getting the benefits from it. If
it fails, there's no company there to maintain it. And
so it's unfortunately been a scam that's hit the least
among us more than anyone else, especially as these climate
banks from Congress have conned people into putting it on
their roofs, and now the companies are going bankrupt and

(01:24:00):
so they're stuck with paying for rooftop solar. I would
just be wary of anyone looking to install that thinking
they're going to save money, because really it's something that
only the wealthy should be considering, because if it goes
belly up, then they're fine, they don't need it, But
if they want to virtue signal to their friends, go
for it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
So I remember Jason seeing the news that I think
it happened maybe over ten years ago. There was this
big announcement that's this giant solar power facility. I think
it's in Nevada and near in the Mohave Desert somewhere,
all mostly scheduled to all shut down in twenty twenty six,
and this was promised to be the big new modern
way to deliver power. Are they closing down because they're

(01:24:42):
just seeing too much success and they're just tired of winning?
Is that what's going on here? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (01:24:49):
Yeah, they go in there and they destroy five hundred
year old Joshua t the trees, you know, destroying massive
amounts of habitat.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
And that's the thing you could do.

Speaker 9 (01:24:57):
A nuclear power plant that would produce a thousand megawats
that's going to power hundreds of thousands of homes. It
takes up one square mile if it's nuclear. Natural gas
and coal are just a little bit larger. When you
look at the total square put for mining transportation, Solar
takes up over twenty seven square miles and wind is
over one hundred square miles for an equivalent amount of electricity,

(01:25:18):
But the other two you have to wait for the
weather to cooperate. Now, ivan Pa in California has been
a complete failure billions of dollars. This is like an
even more expensive Solindra. The government has given them guaranteed
loans that they're not going to pay back, but they're
shutting it down because they're finding that the electricity is
more expensive. But wind and solar advocates and lobbyists and

(01:25:38):
people on the take have been telling us for years
wind and solar is cheaper, and now we're finding out
that couldn't be further from the truth.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Isaac are Jason, thank you very much for joining us.
Jason Isaac He's with the America Energy Works Organization. Greg,
and you know the amount of money that the Biden
administration has poured in to win and solar projects that
have turned out to be absolutely nothing. Talk about a
rip off of the American taxpayer.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Really, yeah, it's it's it's just a scam. And I
could I could just absolutely launch on while they're scamming
this country through their Green New Deal and just compelling
human behavior that has nothing to do with the environment.
The EPA chief finally takes It doesn't take a lot.
It takes a new president to have an EPA chief
that says, you know what, Tijuana, You're gonna stop pumping

(01:26:27):
raw sewage into the ocean. Okay, that's ruining the beach
in Coronado and Imperial Beach in Coronado Beach where these
Navy seals came and training this ocean anymore thousand days
during the Biden administration, this water has been so poisoned
they can't get inside of it. Did that administration do
one thing about that? Nope? No, But they're all look
out for this solar panels.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Yeah, yeah, look out for them all right. More coming
up here on the Rodd and Greg Show in Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine k n rs of the.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Rod and Greg Show on this Monday here on Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine can arrests everywhere. On
the iHeartRadio app, I'm citizen in Hughes.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
And I brought our kid, Jesse Kelly coming your way.
At the top of the hour. Following our news update,
we talked last segment about what's going on with the
solar and wind energy. Not a lot of attention is
being paid due the border right now, and it should
be because Donald Trump has had some amazing success down there.
I want you to hear this sound bite from an
immigration reporter with CBS News. He recently traveled to the

(01:27:28):
US Mexico border and an area once considered a hotspot
for the movement of people in drugs. As to what he.

Speaker 6 (01:27:35):
Found, you spent how long you know, going along the
border hours? And how different was this trip versus past
single migrant or asylum seeker.

Speaker 17 (01:27:45):
And typically when we go to the US Mexico border,
we at least see one group of people who are
trying to cross into the US illegally. We did not
see a single microant. We saw soldiers, border patrol agents
and National Guard troops and vehicles and barriers, but no migrants.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
Did not see a single migrant in what used to
be one of the hot spots for migrants coming across
the border illegally.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Yeah, and it's I don't know that we can unless
you've seen this or you you've so. I work with
our Utah our elected sheriffs, and so they've been they
they're colleagues that are in these border counties, in these
border states, and we feel this, and we have felt
the impact in our state of Utah with especially with
Life fifteen, the description and the in the sight of

(01:28:30):
what's been going on there for years since Biden took office.
It's just been chaos, and it's just it just didn't
seem like you hoped. But you wouldn't believe that it
could be stemmed, that the tide could be stemmed, or
that you would see the kind of improvement that we've
seen so quickly to nothing, to the point where this
reporter has to admit I could not find one. Couldn't
find find a single well that is as astounding.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Well, speaking of one. Greg sad note tonight, one of
the last US survivors of Pearl Harbor, died over the
weekend at age one hundred and two, one of the
last few. His name was jesse A. Mahaffey. He died.
He survived the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. He died

(01:29:14):
on March first in Louisiana, one of the last remaining
survivors of the sinking of the USS Oklahoma during the
Japanese attack. The Oklahoma caps I sank within minutes on
that Sunday morning attack, killing four hundred and twenty nine
crew members. But the survivors of that attack are going fast, great.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
And with that goes the first hand is too show
memory of our country and what that meant.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Of what happened on that faithful day. Pretty amazing. All right,
Well that does it for us tonight. As we say
each and every night, head up, shoulders back. May God
bless you and your family and this great country of ours.
We'll be back with you tomorrow. Greg and I gonna
take an up hockey game day. That's right, I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Go you toah Hockey Club.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
Go there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
They need a nickname, the rodin Greg Show, that's her name.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
Alright, we'll see you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
It's war.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Have a good night.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Mm hmm.